Sara Blakely is the creator of Spanx, the intimate apparel company that got known for its form-shaping undergarments. Though I’ve never worn any, I mostly remember Spanx for the glowing testimonial Oprah Winfrey once gave them on her show.

Sara was on a podcast where she told the story of meeting with a big time decision maker who had the power to get Sara’s then-still-unknown creation into a major department store. This meeting could change her life and legitimize Spanx.